The Taratamya or hierarchy amongst Ishvara and Jivas.
I) Maha Vishnu or Narayana or Paramatma
II) Maha Lakshmi
- Brahma, Vayu
- Saraswati, Bharati
- Gaurda, Shesha, Rudra
- Shanmahishis (Jambavati, Nila, Bhadra, Mitravinda, Kalindi and Lakshana)
- Souparni, Varuni, Parvati
- Indra, Kama
- Ahankarika Prana
- Aniruddha, Shachi, Rati, Svayambhuva Manu, Bruhaspati, Daksha Prajapati
- Pravaha Vayu
- Surya, Chandra, Yama, Shatharupa
- Varuna
- Narada
- Bhrugu, Agni, Prasuti
- Vishvamitra, Marichi, Atri, Angirasa, Pulastya, Pulaha, Kratu, Vasishta, Vaivasvata Manu
- Mitra, Tara, Nirruti, Pravahi
- Vishvaksena, Aswini Devatas, Ganapati, Kubera, 7 Vasus, 10 Rudras, 6 Adityas, 47 Maruts, 10 Vishvedevatas, 1 Rubhu, 2 Dyavaprithivi, 3 Pitrus
- Karmaja Devatas (Sanatkumaras, 7 Indras, Grahas, Gandharvas, Manus, Apsaras, etc)
- Ganga, Parjanya, Sanjna, Rohini, Shamala, Virat
- Anakhyata Devatas
- Svaha
- Budha
- Usha (wife of Ashvini Devatas)
- Shani
- Pushkara
- Ajanaja Devatas (16100 wives of Lord Krishna, etc)
- Chira Pirtus
- Deva gandharvas
- Manushya gandharvas
- Antardarshi Kings
- Uttama Manushyas
While Maha Vishnu and Maha Lakshmi do not have Linga Deha, the rest in the list do have Linga Deha (some
form of physical representation).
Dear hari,
Do u then say that Maha Vishnu and maha Lakshmi do not have a form or shape?
So all the representations of Lord Vishnu or Lakshmi in the photographs that are being circulated in this present era are false?
If you say YES, they do not have a shape, then what form are they in? only light, imagination? or something else?
and, about other gods like shiva, ganapathi etc, are the photographs circulated around, the replication of their actual shape or just an imagination that one person drew and passed on?
thanks in advance for the reply
Dear Arun,
They are not bound by the limitations of Linga Deha – life, death, Indriyas, etc etc.
I will leave the topic of “photos” and “representation”. We will need to sit down and have a serious discussion to get you an answer
Regards, Hari
Namaskara. I have a few rather basic questions and I hope I wont test your patience by asking them
Apologies in advance!
1. Since Shri Vayu and Shri Brahma devaru are on the same level, why is that we always say “Vayu Jeevotthama” and do not say “Brahma Jeevotthama”.
2. Can you kindly provide info on the importance and meaning behind the standard phrase “Bharati Ramana Mukhyaprana antargatha….”
3. Who is Bharati. Whose consort is she?
4. I get confused between Prana Devaru, Vayu Devaru, and Anjaneya devaru. Is Hanuman the son of Vayu and if yes, in the phrase “Vayu Jeevotthama” are we referring to Vayu Devaru , NOT Anjaneya devaru?
Is MukhyaPraana devaru same as Vaayu devaru or Anjaneya devaru?
I hope I am not wasting your time by asking all these questions. May Lord Hari Bless you.
Namaskara,
Please take my answers with caution
I am still a novice in learning this huge ocean of knowledge.
1. Though Brahma devaru is the creator, it is Mukhya Prana devaru who is responsible for life in this universe. He sits inside of every life form in this universe and infuses “Life”. He resides in every Jiva and does the Shwasa Japa (Hamsa mantra) and consequently there is life. In fact in humans, he performs Hamsa Mantra Japa 21000+ times a day, every single day!! Hence he is Jivottama.
2. According to Sri Madhva, understanding the Taratamya is very essential to obtain the Lord’s grace. Understanding taratamya also means that we understand the natural way of reaching HIM. We, the lower forms of life, are utterly ill qualified to be “reaching” him. But the way out is to approach HIM through his true Bhaktas. Mukhya Prana is the Lord’s best servant and devotee. Hence, we place our offerings to the Lord through MukhyaPrana. Hence the phrase.
3. Bharati is the consort of Vayu Devaru.
4. Rujus (Brahma, Vayu, Latavya etc) are one and the same in their Mula and Avatara rupas. Hence, Mukhya Prana, Anjaneya and Vayu Devaru are same – only their rupa is different. Hence, Vayu Jeevottama is also applicable to Mukhya Prana.
Sri Vyasanakere Prabhanjanacharya has explained this beautifully in one of his pravachanas. He says that because Vayu is equally powerful in all his avatars, any avatar can be worshipped. Hence Madhva mathas, Anjaneya temples and so on. However, the same is not applicable to other devatas. Therefore, for example, we always worship Shiva in original form and not Ashwatthama or Durvasa or other avatars.
Hope you find this useful.
Sincerely,
Hari
Dear Shri arun,
linga deha is made of elemens from chit prakriti, sava rajas tamas, it is covers the soul atman, like a skin on the grains ,which has to be beaten, ground and soaked in water to get rid of the skin and the whole grain appears. Souls undergo samsara in creation (akin to grinding) and then finally is dipped(soaked) in viraja to get their original form -swarupa deha (Moksha). Lord and Mahalakshmi do not have any such linga deha. They have only swaroopa deha only. No linga deha hence no birth and death.
chiraan
http://chiraan.blogspot.com
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prithvi whose wife
parjanya wife or vishnu wife?
Namaskara,
Prithivi is represented by two Abhimani Devates – Shri (wife of Indra) and Dharaa (wife of Varaha). Both are in the 18th echelon from top.
Regards, Hari
parjanya dharma pathni?????
shani and prithvi are equal?????
budha son of tara devi or rohini devi????
why no answer
3 questions no answer please let me know
Because I am on vacation. Secondly, I only comment when I can. This is not my day job.
Also, frame your questions better if possible. I don’t get most of them.
Specifically to the previous questions, I do not know the answers.
parjanya dharma pathni???
shani and prithvi are equal???
budha son of tara devi or rohini devi???
parjanya dharma pathni?????
shani and prithvi are equal?????
budha son of tara devi or rohini devi
1. prithvi devi or sri dhara devi is wife of one of the eight vasus named dhrona where they incarnated as va_sudeva and devaki – father and mother for lord krishna avatara
2. parjanya (one of the aditya’s) -dharma pathni is cow vasa (abhimanini devata for fertility of land)
parjanya’s son was rishi hiranyaroma
3. shani and prithvi are equal in status where shani is better
4. budha is son of tara devi and soma (moon god)
ok hariprasad…be cool…heartiest regards for your honourable work. thank uu
Dear Hari,
Its a nice blog just went through it. Keep the good work going.I have one basic question. Its always been told women shoud not chant Gayatri matra and vaayu stuti and so on. If you take Achaaryaa’s Madhwa Vijaya he states that every name or even for that matter every sound is an epithet of god. If so vaayu stuti is almost like a veda as you can see its standard and Gaytri matra is none other than Suraayntargata Bharathi mukhya parana antargata narayana na Japa. So why are women restricted on doing it??? Why does chanting god’s name need discrimination?? I do agree there is Madhwa naama for ladies and son on but still why??
Namaskara Sharath,
On the question of women reciting Vedas, I had attempted an explanation in an earlier thread. Maybe it will interest you.
http://nharipra.wordpress.com/mantras/#comment-1120
It is true that every syllable is calling out God. But, we as mere mortals, do not have the capacity to resonate with that aspect of the sounds/words. God is present even in dogs and pigs. But if we close our eyes and think of dogs, we are not capable of syncing with the God in them. That is why we *choose* certain symbols and sounds which resonate well, at a plane within our reach.
Secondly, to attempt answering why restrictions on some mantras, let me give you a crude analogy. Milk contains lots of proteins, vitamins etc. But if taken raw (in huge quantities), it causes stomach problems. Chilli is very essential for our health. But if eaten raw, it simply burns our tongue and stomach. Some food need processing/cooking. Similarly, “anushtana” is necessary for some of the mantras our great seers realized.
Note that the above points would apply, not just to women, but to all of us who do not follow those instructions.
What I too am disappointed at is the biased imposition of these rules only on women. Our great rishis and saints realized and composed a lot of valuable mantras/shlokas etc and also indicated the qualifications required for being able to make use of them. We strictly “enforce” this on women while conveniently ignoring the guidelines when it comes to ourselves.
Regards, Hari
Ya that’s right i agree to your view to a good extent….its nice
And i read the previous thread and it sound very logical. Good work hari keep it going.
Hari Sarvottama Vaayu jeevottama
hi hariprasad
How many karmaja devatas are there in number? Their total?
please refer and let me know
happy regards
venkataramanan
Please read articles fully before posing redundant quiz questions.
Also, i have a separate blog for such questions. Follow links section.
- hari
-original message- Subject: [Hariprasad's Weblog] Comment: “Taratamya”
karmaja devatas
dvarapalakas — 56
punyaloka rajas — 100
maha nyana rushis – 92
vishnu prasadas – 100
gandharvas — 8
punya apsaras — 92
maha pitrus — 7
manus – 14
indras -7
grahas -9
vahanas -100
abhimani/digabhimani devas – 200
archara/dhumadhi devatas -200
yajna abhimani devats –200
karma sadhana devas – 15
total ==== 1200
mukthi maha yogigalu stanas accordingly to taratamya
sayujya mukthi: residing in hari angas
bakthi maha yogigalu
==> bramha vayu garuda sesha rudra indra kama daksha surya varuna narada agni brgu prahlada manasaputras mitra niruti ganapati kuber vishvaksen …………….to……..85(shESha shathastha) !
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sameepya mukti: being near sri hari
vigjyana maha yogigalu
==> karmaja devatas: {chavana uchithya kashyapa sanakadi rishis jayanta mahabali 11manus 7indras 8gandharvas jayavijayas sukracharya nandhi chitragupta 4grahas karthavirya janaka ambarish parikshit etc.}…………………………parjanya ganga sanjna rohini shyamala svaha budha usha shani prithvi pushkara!
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salokya mukthi: residing in lokas of sri hari
nyana maha yogigalu
ajanaja devatas, chira pitrus, deva gandharvas!
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sarupya mukti: serving hari eternally wearing shanku chakra srivatsa kaustuba
karma maha yogigalu
manushya gandharvas manushya chakravartis manushya uttamajivas
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once they attained muktis(4 types) they are liberated from all negatives they enjoy only eternal bliss. then they everever reside in vaikunta and nevernever come out from vaikunta.
when next creation process commences already selected another set of uttama jivas attain the official posts of the former as bramha vayu garuda sesha rudra indra varuna agni mitra karmajadevas parjanya budha pushkara etc etc etc
thus this playful process is continuous…………………..all all changes posts changes jivas changes but one never changes and make other changes according to his will he is none other than sri lakshmi sametha srihari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1